tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post5650814018312135162..comments2024-03-13T00:37:00.827-07:00Comments on Jenora Soaps: pH in handmade soap – Shampoo bars – Citric AcidJennifer Younghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12759161260648931612noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-61421456491300544482020-02-12T02:11:49.013-08:002020-02-12T02:11:49.013-08:00This is such nice and useful information for us. I...This is such nice and useful information for us. I really appreciate this blog to have such kind of knowledge. 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This water can be other liquids (beer concentrate, wine concentrate, herbal teas, concentrated milks, fruit juice, etc.), and can contain other dissolved add-in like citric acid. Every soap recipe is different, and you'll have to determine how much to add to your soap to produce the effect you want for each type. In HP, the vast majority of lye should have already consumed in the 'cook', and adding any acid (citric acid, apple cider vinegar, etc.) will neutralize the rest before having the desired effect, make sure that you check the pH of each batch PRIOR to add-in to make sure saponification was essentially complete. Many people like the pH of their facial bars to be around 7.5 (certainly 8.3 or lower) and normal soap is usually 8.5 to the low nines. Many people also find lowering the pH if their shampoo bars improves their effectiveness. -tarcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-32927589240894338782015-11-06T21:44:22.681-08:002015-11-06T21:44:22.681-08:00How did you add the citric acid? I am reading vari...How did you add the citric acid? I am reading various versions on various soapmaking sites - dissolve in water and add with the oils, add at trace, use for melt and pour strictly or use to make lye! Now I am confused. Using before saponification makes no sense - it will just react with the lye and give you a lye discount. We don't need citric acid for that, surely.... Do you have further updates and more details on how you used citric acid?Vidyuthttps://vidyut.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-72335280133615831002015-09-13T22:58:16.567-07:002015-09-13T22:58:16.567-07:00you gain expertise, It is extremely helpful for me...you gain expertise, It is extremely helpful for me.would you mind updating your blog with more information? <br /><br /><a href="www.gayatridyesandchemicals.com/detail.php?catID=264" rel="nofollow">shampoo manufacturers in delhi</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13872630614719203357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-4273069975276129392015-02-13T18:48:39.048-08:002015-02-13T18:48:39.048-08:00Hi guys,
so that's a sort of no on the Hot Pro...Hi guys,<br />so that's a sort of no on the Hot Process Rhassoul. I used 2 1/2 tbsp in 4 ml of oil and I got a .5 drop to 9.5. I don't think it'll be practical in a shampoo to add enough clay to cause pH to drop to 8. Assuming the drop IS due to the clay to begin with. What do you think? Jane Askinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16751856817434772619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-74030244875668213712015-01-14T11:47:07.903-08:002015-01-14T11:47:07.903-08:00Jane and Tarc, I love that this has been a bit of...Jane and Tarc, I love that this has been a bit of a forum and hope we all continue learning from it! I am always experimenting with shampoo and currently using a liquid soap version... still very much testing out. xoxox JenJennifer Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12759161260648931612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-17277495205014672912015-01-13T08:54:53.734-08:002015-01-13T08:54:53.734-08:00Thanks!
I will join; just gorged on HP videos and ...Thanks!<br />I will join; just gorged on HP videos and am wondering which rock was I under all this time... shopping for a crock pot as I speak! I'll try 1)adding citric acid and 2)rhassoul clay, perphaps two separate batches. I'll add them with the super fat right now as I do not have access to the buffer phosphate at the moment or would disolving them in water be better? Thanks guys!Jane Askinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16751856817434772619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-77739916062774394642015-01-13T08:54:30.214-08:002015-01-13T08:54:30.214-08:00Thanks!
I will join; just gorged on HP videos and ...Thanks!<br />I will join; just gorged on HP videos and am wondering which rock was I under all this time... shopping for a crock pot as I speak! I'll try 1)adding citric acid and 2)rhassoul clay, perphaps two separate batches. I'll add them with the super fat right now as I do not have access to the buffer phosphate at the moment or would disolving them in water be better? Thanks guys!Jane Askinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16751856817434772619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-70091732239290704502015-01-12T23:33:49.699-08:002015-01-12T23:33:49.699-08:00You should check out the Hot Process Soap and Tech...You should check out the Hot Process Soap and Techniques group on Facebook. They know a lot of the tricks - you can even HP swirls and such. It's great when you need the soap to be ready sooner, or when you want to use those problem fragrances that tend seize CP. If you like to add herbals, it's also the best way to preserve their characteristics since you add them after the lye is all reacted.<br /><br />Rebatch works, too. You can rebalance the pH by adding the buffer solution concentrate in water during the rebatch. Tarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10083536911944195512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-2949050323268871492015-01-10T17:33:38.693-08:002015-01-10T17:33:38.693-08:00I have actually never HPed before, so I have no id...I have actually never HPed before, so I have no idea where to start, I will do some research though. <br /><br />I once liquified my cold process soap (by simply grating and diluting it in boiling water) and then I added citric acid to that mix and used it as a shampoo (easier in its liquid state). However, even though I added the same amount of acid for a batch I did a later time, I could not get the same gentle pH as before. Not sure why it wasn't stable.Jane Askinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16751856817434772619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-71594354715973183352015-01-10T15:42:31.414-08:002015-01-10T15:42:31.414-08:00Sorry for the delay. No, Rhassoul clay is great, b...Sorry for the delay. No, Rhassoul clay is great, but it doesn't have the chemical oomph to change the bulk pH of the soap. You can add Rhassoul and the buffer system. And the buffer system only really works effectively with HP soap - and there is nothing wrong with HP soap. You can make HP soap wth extra water and do most of the creative things that people do with CP, and that way you can get the pH where you want it.Tarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10083536911944195512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-52410396472489674412015-01-10T15:03:52.673-08:002015-01-10T15:03:52.673-08:00Sigh :(Sigh :(Jane Askinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16751856817434772619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-29269279442330849682015-01-10T01:49:05.508-08:002015-01-10T01:49:05.508-08:00Jane, it was right around the same ph as me other ...Jane, it was right around the same ph as me other soaps... no lower! Still a wonderful shampoo! xo Jen<br />Jennifer Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12759161260648931612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-55454186102419363842015-01-06T16:26:18.055-08:002015-01-06T16:26:18.055-08:00Look forward to hearing how it goes!Look forward to hearing how it goes!Jane Askinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16751856817434772619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-7311731995248036442015-01-06T07:53:08.137-08:002015-01-06T07:53:08.137-08:00Jane, Well I have my own shampoo recipe (no-palm,...Jane, Well I have my own shampoo recipe (no-palm, mostly olive and castor oils) and I like it... but the pH is about the same as my other soaps, usually between 9 and 10. I will try to check pH and get back to you about it. Will be interesting because this batch has been curing for many months...Jennifer Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12759161260648931612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-36041822333310704602015-01-06T06:41:30.527-08:002015-01-06T06:41:30.527-08:00May I ask what recipe you used? Does it lower the ...May I ask what recipe you used? Does it lower the pH at all?Jane Askinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16751856817434772619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-63182244312730334952015-01-06T04:16:58.480-08:002015-01-06T04:16:58.480-08:00Jane, Thanks for your input!! The best shampoo b...Jane, Thanks for your input!! The best shampoo bar I ever made and the only one I continue to make, repeat as is one with Rhassoul clay! It is fabulous in shampoo bar. I still can't get a pH level much lower in solid bars - shampoo or soap, which is okay with me. xo JenJennifer Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12759161260648931612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-39733516838684311282014-12-22T17:54:59.158-08:002014-12-22T17:54:59.158-08:00Hello Jennifer and Tarc!
know this is super late b...Hello Jennifer and Tarc!<br />know this is super late but would something like Rhassoul clay (ph 6-7 approx.) be able to work?Jane Askinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16751856817434772619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-85074877764628675342014-08-30T06:04:43.102-07:002014-08-30T06:04:43.102-07:00First, a couple links: http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu...First, a couple links: http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/biobuff/biobuffers.html<br />http://microscopy.berkeley.edu/Resources/instruction/buffers.html<br />That should help describe what I'm talking about. Probably the best way to 'play' with the pH of your soaps is by using a pair of chemicals to create a buffer, which is a team of in/organic molecules that will adjust and keep the pH of your product very close to the point that you set. The phosphate/citrate pair is closest to what I think you were interested in, and the stuff is cheap and available at places like soapgoods.com . It'd be really easy to make a lower pH bar by simply doing your saponification to completion, and then adding the buffer pair (I'd do 10x concentrate from what is mentioned - both are very soluble and you only need a little of each. The phosphate solution will not grow, but make the citrate fresh because it's potential bacteria food). Just mix them together, and then mix into the soap with the fragrance oils and superfat. For CP, I'd keep the concentration of the buffering chemicals low and add them in at light trace. They might actually slow saponification, especially if you want more acidic soap (which might be refreshing considering that most things, like some fragrances, speed it up). The buffer might tie up a bit of the hydroxide at first, but the beauty of a buffer is that it's an equilibrium reaction, so, over time, all the hydroxide will be released to complete the saponification and the pH will settle at the point you choice with the buffering chemicals. At least in theory. And the cool thing is that you should be able to choose other acids (alpha- and beta-hydroxyl) - you chose citric (citrus acid), but you could go with malic (apple) or any of the others on sale at the soap/cosmetics sites (check your local home brewing shop if you want to try the malic acid - food safe, cheaper, no shipping) and create a gentle 'peel' bar! Just keep the buffer concentration low and it should (again, in theory) work.Tarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10083536911944195512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1219510642613816473.post-23265617496654697302014-08-29T14:49:48.165-07:002014-08-29T14:49:48.165-07:00Tarc, Awesome for the help!!! I am not too conce...Tarc, Awesome for the help!!! I am not too concerned really about the ph in my bar soaps but would be fascinated to be able to play with it (something very simple in liquid soap). Not sure what you mean at the end about playing with ph, post saponification, as the bars are hard. Or do you mean at trace? Thank you!!! xo Jen<br />Jennifer Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12759161260648931612noreply@blogger.com